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wayne1967
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:02 am    Post subject: virginia style rifle Reply with quote

Is there a supplier other than Jim Chambers that offers the Virginia rifle kit with the rounded face lock in a curly maple?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:04 pm    Post subject: Virginia rifles Reply with quote

Wayne, I think Pecatonica River supply does and Mike Brooks also offers a Virginia components set but the lock is not inlet.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Virginia rifles Reply with quote

Tommy Bruce wrote:
but the lock is not inlet.


That's a good thing.


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wayne1967
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's my hesitant. I've put together a fusil kit from sitting fox but I am unsure of myself cutting in a lock.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know I think Early rustic arms has a kit in whatyou are looking for
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When looking for an Early Virginia rifle ask the supplier what it is about their gun that makes it early and how early, many look no different than the same makers Lancaster guns except for maybe a different TG or side plate. Chambers, Brooks and another I cannt recall can give some support to the claim of the guns heritage I doubt that most others can.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greetings all. I built one of Jim Chambers early Virginia smooth rifles, one of the easiest Chambers kits I've done, and one of my favorite guns. It's 28 ga, or .54 cal. And, that Chambers English round lock is the best.

A word about pre-inlet locks. Chambers kits, and some others, have their lock inlets a bit small, so you can get a nice close fit. Chambers lock inlets are also correctly positioned so the front lock screw will go through the web between the barrel channel and the drilled ramrod hole.

I built a Queen Ann doglock from The Rifle Shoppe, which had a pre-inlet lock. It's a great gun, but there was no way to position the lock in this inlet that the front lock screw didn't go right through the ramrod hole. And, I had to inlet for the lock innerds anyway.

Given the choice, I'd rather inlet the lock myself.

Your obedient Servant,

Jeff Kirkman
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good points,Gene,You may be thinking of Cabin Creek Muzzleloading.They have some good looking products. Jim Chambers puts out a gun based on the Faber rifle{RCA 117} and Mike Brooks has the Klette rifle {RCA 123}.The Faber rifle is quite early,perhaps as early as the 1760's and the Klette rifle dating probably from just after the Revolution according to information from Gary Brumfield of Colonial Williamsburg. Cabin Creek seems to be basing its gun somewhat on the Klette rifle,ie. a combination of Germanic and English styling.These are the only kits or semi custom guns of which I am aware and which I could recommend.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have also been considering an early VA rifle with a round faced lock for my next project. I really like the look of the Chambers kits, but being a lefty, I see very few offerings of left handed kits from Chambers. I've considered the early VA kit offered by Tennessee Valley Manufacturing, but have no experience with their products. Was wondering if anyone out there has and if you'd recommend their kits?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard only good things abot TVM but like many others I have yet to hear what it is that makes their gun an early Virginia type.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pecatonica river longrifles makes a Virginia in right or left handed. I think you can even choose the style of lock you would like. Yo can choose between a swamped barrel or straiht octagon. They can inlet the lock for you or you can have them leave it for you to do. I built a fowler awhile back. I used their fowler stock and jsut told them what the parts I already had were and I ended up with a beatiful stock that was inlet correctly. My next kit will be from them. Dick Greensides was a great help.
I've also heard good thing about Tennessee valley muzzleloading, but have never used anything from them. There is also a Tennessee valley manufacturing. Different company(same town).
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks like one of the best deals going that I have seen. Haven't asked yet if they could inlet the rounded English trade lock instead of the Siler. Thanks. I've never know anyone that has worked with them but i will ask around.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mayh want to suggest what time period you are going for, this will eliminate some locks and furniture options, the Siler is 1770 at the earliest, a swamped barrel is a must if going for the PC/HC thing, many use the Chambers colonial lock on the early guns the L&R trade lock might be questionable on a well made rifle, but there are few options in lefties, again try to pin down the maker as to what it is that defines their offering as an early (and how early) Virginia gun,beware of being talked in circles ssome will try this, do some research on early guns thru the posts on this forum and others, there are many very well schooled gun historians here, it is the time now to think of these things and get them right, rather than trying to think up excuses or reasons later for this or that which does not fit the early gun styles.good luck on your project and keep us posted.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: TVM Reply with quote

I have a Tennessee Valley Manufacturing (Jack Garner) Early Virginia. I have been very happy with it so far it shoots very accurately and I have limited skills so I had it made in the white and then finished the wood myself. the turn around time was three months!!!! I was very happy with the end product and they gave me plenty of advice on the wood finishing. Also affordable on a teachers salary. Only problem is that the lock keeps not catching on full cock In fact I was going to post a question until I saw this and decided to recommend TVM. but I won't hijack this post I will go ahead and start a new topic. Having said that I have a friend that went with Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading (as mentioned before they are different companies) and he was very happy with his finished rifle. The turn around time was a year but I understand they run a tight ship, stand behind their products, and I know they make beautiful guns.
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