What living history events would allow a Pedersoli Jaeger?

[Wahkahchim]

I am wondering where to go in the coming year with my Pedersoli Jaeger. What living history/rendezvous would welcome a Pedersoli Jaeger, and specifically what gatherings would rather not see that gun in the venue?

What living history organizations would welcome that gun?

Thanks all!

Pete

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[bob miller]

I hate to bring this up, but...what about the rest of the stuff you'll need ???
The gun is but one part, and often not even necessary to attend/participate in an event. I would figure out what you're interested in , then work at a basic kit, and then get a gun.
Having said that, any rendezvous I've been to, welcomed any muzzleloader that wasn't a modern inline. I'm not familiar with that particular Pedersoli, but others I've seen were not really historically accurate . I'll leave that to others.

[Tommy Bruce]

Pete,

Bob has offered some good advice. The historical correctness (or lack of) of the Pedersoli Jaeger has been beat into the ground all most as much as the reliability/quality of the Indian muskets being imported today. That being said, everyone starts somewhere and this is where you are at. I would get a copy of Smoke & Fire News, find events that are within an acceptable distance to you and contact the event coordinator to see what is acceptable.

What type of event are you interested in doing? Most rendevouz have live shooting and generally are a little more accepting of gun types since they have a time line that generally extends to 1840. Battle reenactments will tend to be a little more on the strict side as far as your kit being Historically or period correct. I have seen the Pedersoli Jaeger at BAR events though.

When you begin to contact people, let them know what you have and that you are just getting started. Everyone and I mean EVERYONE was new in this hobby at one time or another. There is a lot of folks willing to help if you are serious about developing a persona and getting your kit right for the time period you are interested in. Good luck and keep us posted.

[AxelP]

Any Rondy in CA/OR/ID and probably the entire USA will accept that gun.

Historical events are much more date/era sensitive. You will have to contact the individual event you are interested in attending to find out if they take issue with a Pedersoli Jeager.

As a representative of the Nelder Grove May encampment, your Jeager would be acceptable.

K

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[Shawnee Mike]

Bezon,
Heck , I had more fun at Martins during the battle capturing hostages. Never even took my gun out of the truck the whole weekend.

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[Wahkahchim]

Meanwhile I am getting good groups with my Pedersoli Jaeger: one hole inside the 10 ring about 3" wide at 25 yards. At 100 yards I have to aim at the neck of an IDPA target to hit center mass. If this is normal, it would explain why the old Jaegers often have 200 yard fold-up sights. Does anyone make an aftermarket historically authentic long range rear site for guns like this? Thanks.

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[AxelP]

If its shooting low, you may want to file your front sight down a bit. That is usual for a gun "out of the box." What caliber and what load are you using to get your best groups?

K

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[Wahkahchim]

My load is 90 grains of FFFG with a .53 ball and a .015 oxyoke lubed patch. I filed the sights last year. The current point of impact is dead-on, X-ring capable, at 25 yards. Prior to filing it was about 6" low. My thought is that I'm ok with my sight setup because I deer hunt in the New Hampshire forests and the average shot will be 50 yards or less. Out at 100 yards that seems to mean an 8" bullet drop if I read the target correctly. So that would mean I aim at a deer at the crest of the shoulder, right?

What is your point of aim and what is your dead-on distance? Thanks.

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[AxelP]

I am not a target shooter... (I just hunt and casual shoot at marks in the woods)

From what I have heard, it is usual to hit point of aim at 100 yards with a flintlock rifle. This equates to about dead on at 15 yards and about 2 inches or so high at 50 yards and then right on at 100.

Right now my 58 cal (31 inch barreled flinter) likes about 90-100 grains of FF and it usually hits a tad high out at 100 yards with that load.

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[MSzychulda]

I am sighted in for 75 yards. I am about 1" high at 20 yards. 70 grains of 2f with a .490 caliber ball. I am also a hunter and not a target guy, although I do love to shoot.

I myself have seen the folding sights you mentioned until much later. I have never seen an original jager with anything other than fixed iron sights.

You mention you have seen "fold up sights" on original jagers? I would love to see your research/documentation on them. Sounds interesting. I have only seen the Vernor sights on the Sharp and plains style rifles.

[AxelP]

I am not sure when folding rear sights came into play.

If you are interested in shooting competitively in NMLRA matches, you should check the regs to see if those type of sights are even allowed. Some matches might not allow them.

For me, I admit that I need to shoot my guns more off the bench to know exactly what my guns will do. I just don't get out to the range with benches all that much.

K

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[Tommy Bruce]

[AxelP]

True-- (thinking out loud) since the Pedersoli Jeager is not considered "pc" by the experts, putting multi-stage flip up sights on it would be a non-issue---
Except if you wanted to compete in an NMLRA sanctioned shoot or any shoot that restricted adjustable sight usage.

I am not sure why he is getting an 8" drop at 100 yards with that powder charge... seems like he should be able to reach out to 100 yards with 90 grains of FFF. Does this barrel have faster twist rifling? like 1:24 or 48"? Just curious.

Wahkachim, you sound like you are getting pretty good accuracy out of your Jeager at closer ranges.

My smoothbore fowler reaches out to 75 yards reliably, and I only use 65 gr of FF in it...

muzzleloading guns are interesting critters--no two are the same.

K

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[Wahkahchim]

Hi Ken...

Yes, this is a fast twist gun, as are all Pedersoli Jaegers 1:24" I think. I know that affects roundball accuaracy, but what about bullet drop?

Apparently Pedersoli makes a target barrel for this gun with 1:65 twist.

Since I'm in the no-lead condor zone and I sometimes hike in the Los Padres National Forest, I need a gun which can handle both roundball and copper unmentionables. This gun shoots those "Copper Unmentionables" (CU's) with superb accuracy, which makes it unusually effective in the Condor Zone.

Or, I could just shoot CU's out of this gun and use another for round ball.

Thanks for the input!

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[AxelP]

I too live just inside the northernmost edge of the lead ban.

My guns are all slow-twist roundball guns so I worked at finding a lead alternative. It was that or leave my flintlocks to be wall hangers...

I helped develop ITX non-toxic roundball:

check out www.tomboboutdoors.com to learn more about it.

I have no experience with fast twist rifling (except with my 1874 Sharps 45/90 which is 1:18" I think). Peter, I would shoot whatever your gun is accurate shooting and be happy it hits what you are aiming at. I suspect that you might need to try a much lower powder charge with roundball--so it will engage the rifling better... sometimes less is better! BUT I am not an expert--just a plinker and a hunter of sorts.

K

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