What living history events would allow a Pedersoli Jaeger?

[AxelP]

Peter are there some sweet spots in the Los Padres NF? I'd like to explore them sometime. Are you located near SLO then?

K

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[Wahkahchim]

Hi Ken...I just checked out the ITX website. I especially like that you make a .60 ball so my fowlers can be legal. Thank you! But what's in those ITX round balls chemically? What are the ingredients, if you can tell us in a very basic way? I think you just saved muzzleloading in the Condor Zone.

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[AxelP]

Well all I did was kick the can and get the smart guys interested in the problem enough to find one solution of probably many. I am not employed by TomBob---I am just a customer and prostaff/tester.

Its not identical to lead, but it works enough like lead to be ballistically "close enough." Lead is a pretty unique element, and not easily reproduced. ITX is quite simply an enlarged version of their lead-free shot product. It IS harder than lead and so it requires a little different size/patch combo in order to engage the rifling. It is ductile enough to not damage barrel rifling, but it is pretty hard stuff. The plus is that ITX is dense and heavy so it flies, and will kill game like lead does and it is safe for the environment and approved by the feds and state. It even has better penetration than regular lead due to its hardness. A drawback is that it does not expand to make a bigger wound channel like lead does.

I have not yet tried their .60 ball but I have shot the .487 ball in my 50 cal and it works fine with a greased denim patch or a thin greased leather patch. I have killed small game wth it, I know of several guys that have use ITX 54 cal ball with good results on big game.

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[Wahkahchim]

Mostly I just want to be able to hike the wilderness legally carrying my flinters, and that means no lead, to hike in the Los Padres National Forest. Some parts are wonderful, with lots of water, although almost all of it can get oppressively hot in summer. That's when I switch to the Sierras.

The fast rifling on that Jaeger was meant to allow me copper for Los Padres, but since there are now non-lead round ball alternatives, special rifling isn't needed!

I am getting the impression that the Pedersoli Jaeger will be ok for groups which emphasize wilderness and skills. Great news!

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[AxelP]

Peter, FYI, according to my understanding, you CAN carry lead and target shoot with it in the National Forest and BLM land (that does not restrict such actions.) We do this regularly in the the condor lead ban area near me.

You can also hunt WITH LEAD for upland game including: turkey, rabbit, tree squirrels, quail etc... in zones that have such critters.

Lead is only restricted for all big game hunting including: deer, pig, as well as ground squirrels and coyotes. You cannot carry lead if you are hunting BIG GAME in condor zones, but if you are out tree squirrel hunting, you are obviously allowed to carry lead. Confusing? yep. Most Rangers in my area are pretty reasonable and I have never had a problem.

BUT CHECK WITH YOUR LOCAL AUTHORITIES TO VERIFY. Because there is enough confusion in the law to give the individual officers a lot of room to define the law as they see it.

Good luck and God Bless

K

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[MSzychulda]

Ken is right on. Also no lead for use on non game animals.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/condor/docs/LeadInformation.pdf

We won't get into all the politically skewed "science" involved in this whole anti-hunting sentiment decision...... :-(

[AxelP]

Matt I went and bought a deer tag for D7 this year. So I will be hunting with ITX leadfree roundball. But when treerat, rabbit, turkey and quail season starts, I will be hunting those critters with lead.

Yeah the "science" does not add up in my head either... It stinks of big city politics and environmental knee jerk logic. But it is what it is, so I vote to change it, and meanwhile try to follow the laws as best I can and still practice and exercise my rights to hunt the way I choose to. I hope that my grandkids and their kids will be able to hunt and run the woods with my old flintlocks when I am gone the way of the condor...

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[Bud in PA]

You Cal. guys must be one tough bunch! How do you put up with the bureaucratic stupidity? If I lived there I would either have to break the stupid law or move. The older I get the more I mourn the death of common sense in our country.

[AxelP]

Bud, California has really bad politics, but dang it, its really a great place to live in regards to weather and geographic diversity. Rural California is VERY different than say big city LA or SF. It tends to lean conservative. We are just out voted by the big city libs every time.

ya gotta bloom where you are planted... I am VERY thankful for the guys and gals in Ridgway PA that made a lead free option for us traditional muzzleloaders in CA.

K

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[Wahkahchim]

Agree on all points. California is a bipolar state: some of the nation's worst urbanism, and some of it's most insane liberalism, and the politics and pace of development are horrendous. Everything bends before the urban majority.

But then we've got some of North America's most spectacular wilderness, and yes, when you are in the Mojave or up by Lassen or Modoc, it's genuine wilderness. Even the Los Padres National Forest is surprisingly untraveled.

So it's how do you wish to see it? Half full or half empty? But yes, our government is both disgraceful and deranged.

Meanwhile I took my Pedersoli Jaeger to the Carmel Gun Club/Monterey County Swiss Rifle Club annual Scheutzenfest, and learned lots!

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